Ep 144: Three Year Anniversary!


Well first off, welcome to 2022! I took a much needed break at the end of last year and I am feeling mostly ready to head into 2022. I feel better, my mind feels clearer, and I’m excited about what 2022 will bring.

It is hard to believe but this podcast has been around for 3 years! It was Jan 2019, Jan 8th to be exact, that the first 2 episodes were released and here we are 3 years later. I’ve said this before but I never could have predicted what this podcast would mean for me and for you. I am incredibly grateful for this platform and in this episode I’m celebrating by sharing some of the most downloaded episodes. I was actually surprised at some of the episodes and maybe you will be too!

In this Episode, You’ll Learn About:

  • What are the themes I’m focusing on in the new year
  • Which episode to listen to for information on breastfeeding
  • How Dr. Christine Sterling, OB-GYN, is helping new parents in the postpartum period
  • Why episode 89 is a must for dog parents
  • Which birth story episodes can help prepare you for an unmedicated delivery
  • What makes episode 70 a good starting place for learning about labor induction
  • Which episode is the most popular for parents looking to learn about prenatal nutrition

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Ep 144: Three Year Anniversary!

Nicole: Welcome to 2022. I cannot believe it. But this podcast is celebrating three years. Welcome to the All About Pregnancy & Birth podcast. I'm Dr. Nicole Calloway Rankins, a board certified OB GYN who's been in practice for nearly 15 years. I've had the privilege of helping over 1000 babies into this world, and I'm here to help you be calm, confident, and empowered to have a beautiful pregnancy and birth. Quick note, this podcast is for educational purposes only and is not a substitute for medical advice. Check out the full disclaimer at drnicolerankins.com/disclaimer. Now let's get to it.

Nicole: Hello. Hello. Welcome to another episode of the podcast. This is episode number 144. As always, thank you for being here with me today. Well, first off, welcome to 2022. I took a much needed break at the end of last year, and I'm feeling mostly ready to head into 2022. Honestly, I'm not completely ready. I wouldn't mind a little more time off, but I definitely feel better. My mind feels clearer and I am excited about what 2022 will bring. The last two years of course have been crazy and like everyone else, I was hoping that by this point, we'd be out of the S show that is COVID. I am so, so, so so over it, but I do remain hopeful that with more widespread vaccination and hopefully the virus mutating into forms that are not as dangerous, we will get to a new normal in 2022.

Nicole: I don't think things will ever be quite the same or at least for a while they won't be quite the same, but I do have hope that we can get back to a bit more normalcy. And speaking of normalcy, one of the most important parts as I mentioned is vaccination. And all pregnant folks should be vaccinated and boosted with either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. The vaccine really saves lives. All right, now, just on a personal note, I have a couple themes for 2022 that I'm gonna share for you, actually three. So my three themes for 2022, 1 of them is ease, and this was actually one of my themes for last year, but I still need to work on it. So I'm carrying it into 2022 as well. And it's just really about realizing that ease is what I make things and how I control my responses to life events.

Nicole: I cannot control things that happen around me, what I can control, however, is my response to things. And I don't have to think make things complicated or difficult. I can choose ease in my life. So that's what I'm working on. And I am also working on space. And by space, that means being intentional about creating space for things that are important for me, like rest, like family time, like me time, I enjoy reading books. I'm focusing more on my physical and mental health, and I actually did pretty good with my, my physical health last year. I'm proud of myself. I started doing a lot of yoga. I do yoga through the Peloton app. And, uh, they do that year on review thing. And I was in the top 10% of people who do yoga on Peloton in terms of how many people use it.

Nicole: So I'm kind of proud of that. And then I also, at the end of the year, got a Peloton tread as a delayed birthday gift. And, oh my goodness, I love that thing. So I'm working on increasing walking, getting to running on the Peloton, tread. So creating space for things that are important to me. And then the final thing I'm working on is simplicity. And that's really related to my work through the podcast and social media. There's a lot of pressure and advice even so to speak. When you have an online present to constantly be doing something new or videos being on all the platforms, hopping on trends, and I'm gonna be honest. I, I, ain't doing none of that. Okay. My north star has always been providing holistic evidence based information to help you have the most beautiful pregnancy and birth, and I'm gonna continue to do that, but I'm just gonna make sure I keep in mind that I can, can do it in a way that works for me.

Nicole: And I don't have to worry about how people say I should show up online. I'm gonna just keep showing up as myself. So there there's that. All right. So what are you working on for 2022? Send me a DM on Instagram and let me know. All right. Now another thing that is happening in 2022 is my new and improved birth plan class. It is called Make A Birth Plan The Right Way. Making a birth plan the right way is not about a template or a form. That's actually the least important part. It's really a process where you understand that you have power in your birth and you know how to use it. And those typical templates and forms just will not cut it in terms of helping you understand how to approach your birth, how to make a birth plan in a way that's actually gonna work to help you have the birth that you want.

Nicole: So you can check out this class at drnicolerankins.com/register. It is only $7. So do check that out today. You will not regret it. All right now, as I was saying at the top of the show, it is hard to believe, but this podcast has been around for three years. It was January of 2019 that the first two episodes were released. And here we are three years later. I have said this before, but I genuinely could never have predicted what this podcast would mean for me and what it would me for you. I started this as a way to provide holistic evidence based information about pregnancy, especially from the perspective of a physician. There's a lot of information and misinformation and a lot of noise out there online about pregnancy and birth information. And I didn't feel like physicians were really in this space and meeting people where they were actually looking for information.

Nicole: And so that's why I created this podcast in order to help be that evidence based and, and balanced source of information about pregnancy and birth. And so, so many of you have written reviews or messaged me about how you have found this podcast and my work in general, including my childbirth education class, the Birth Preparation Course so useful, and really life changing for your pregnancy and for your birth. And this year, the podcast will cross a million downloads. That is crazy to hear to when I hear myself say that right now, we're at about 897,898,000, somewhere around there. So we'll definitely cross a million downloads this year. And I haven't thought about something that I wanna do special for crossing a million downloads, if you have any ideas and let me know, but yes, we will reach a million downloads this year. And the popularity of the podcast has opened doors for me to reach and serve so many more folks beyond the podcast, including the Birth Preparation Course, where we are now at about, I don't know, 1500, between 1500 and 2000 folks who have gone through that course as well.

Nicole: So I'm incredibly grateful for this platform. And in this episode, I'm celebrating by sharing some of the most downloaded episodes. So if you've listened to the podcast, you know, that I have three general categories of episodes, one where I interview guest experts. I also do birth stories. And then I do solo episodes where I talk about topics. And so I'm going to let you know, the top five most downloaded episodes in each of those categories: guest episodes, birth stories, and solo episodes. I was actually surprised at some of the episodes, and maybe you will be too. Now to make it easy to listen to all 15 episodes, I have created a playlist in Spotify and it's called the Best Of The All About Pregnancy & Birth podcast, where I put all those episodes in that playlist. I will put the link to that, uh, Spotify playlist in the show notes for the episode.

Nicole: Now, if you wanna listen to a particular episode, just so you know, some podcast players only go back a certain number of episodes. Like a lot of 'em only will let you access the last 100 episodes of a podcast, but you can always listen into any of the episodes through my website, drnicolerankins.com/episode spelled out, and then the number. So for this episode, it would be drnicolerankins.com/E P I S O D D 1 44. So drnicolerankins.com/episode and the number, and you can get to any of the episode. All right. So let's get into the top five episodes from each category. The first one is guest episodes, and we're gonna start off with episode 69. And this was all about breastfeeding and breast milk with Laurel Wilson. Laurel owns Mother Journey. She also has a degree in maternal and child health. She has 26 years of experience as a lactation consultant and perinatal health.

Nicole: She shares her knowledge at professional conferences on sub subjects, ranging from hot topics, and breastfeeding to epigenetics in the prenatal environment. In the episode, she breaks down some common obstacles parents face when breastfeeding, how you can find support with the issues, how to work through some of the common questions and concerns around breastfeeding, how you can start to prepare for breastfeeding while you are still pregnant, and some resources that you're gonna wanna have on hand. She also talks about how human milk is designed to nourish babies and their microbiomes. Microbiomes is our microbiome is the collection of bacteria and viruses that live in and on us that actually help support our, our health. We actually, we have 10 times as many bacteria in and on our bodies than we have human cells and we work like together in order to support us. So she talks about the microbiome, skin to skin contact, but beyond the golden hour of birth.

Nicole: So just tons and tons of great information, oh, including how we can support family choices about feeding their children, whatever that may be and tips for going back to work while breastfeeding. So there is a reason why this is one of the most popular episodes because there's a ton of information in it. So you can get that at drnicolerankins.com/episode69. Next up is episode 73. And that is why we need better preparation for the partum period with Dr. Christine Sterling. Christine is a fellow OB GYN, and I always love having fellow colleagues on who have similar views and approaches to pregnancy and birth as I do. And in her case to the postpartum period, and she teaches parents about the postpartum period through online courses, through social media, she has a very active Instagram account. It's @drsterlingOBGYN.

Nicole: And she talks about, you know, just tons of useful information about, uh, pregnancy, birth, and the postpartum period. And she got into this after experiencing her own postpartum struggles after the birth of her first baby. And she just realized that there needed to be so much more work with preparing parents for what happens after a baby arrives. So in this episode, we talk about the need to give yourself grace as a new parent, why our children don't need us to be perfect, and why we shouldn't normalize the strain a new baby can often put on intimate relationships. She shares her top tips for preparing for the postpartum period. Why you should start thinking about this at the beginning of your pregnancy and not the end, and then mental health as well during pregnancy. She also gives some, one of the best tips for new parents that I have ever heard.

Nicole: So you're gonna get a lot out of this conversation that is episode 73, drnicolerankins.com/episode73. Okay. Next up is episode 89, which is making sure your dog and your new baby get along well. And this is with Michelle Stern of Pooch Parenting. I have to say, I was surprised that this episode was really, really so popular. Um, you know, it's not technically related to something specifically about pregnancy and birth. I just thought it was an interesting topic. Actually, most of the guests on the podcast are things that I am interested in myself and wanna know about. And I just, you know, figured that you all would be too. So this is one of those. And so many people have found this episode helpful. I had no idea how many of you all have dogs and how many of you all felt like this information and episode was really, really useful for you.

Nicole: So this is one of those ones where I don't cover medical topics specifically, but again, it's about how to make sure your dog and your new baby get along. And Michelle is a mom. She's a certified dog behavior consultant and trainer. She's a former teacher. She was a teacher for 16 years and she uses positive reinforcement based methods for training, um, your dog. That's based on the science of animal learning and behavior. And she just loves, and I mean loves to help families create a safe, loving, and thriving home for dogs and humans alike. So we talk about why you need to have a plan for bringing your baby home and introducing them to your dog. We talk about ways to prepare your dog for the baby's arrival, how to nip any potentially troublesome habits in the bud and why it's important for you to protect your relationship with your dog, even as your family changes.

Nicole: We also taught up talk about dog breeds and what you should look for when you're considering adding a dog to your family. She is so knowledgeable and so passionate about what she does. You're gonna love this episode. If you have a dog that's episode 89, drnicolerankins.com/episode89. Okay, next up is episode 95. And that is on hypno birthing what it is, how it works and who should try it. I'm actually not surprised that this is a popular episode because folks definitely wanna know, you know, this is one of those topics you hear about. And it's like, what is hypno birthing? How does it work? And we talk about all of this in this episode, and this is with Carolyn O'Neil. Now, Carolyn has been a hypno birthing instructor since 2012, and she combines that knowledge with her specialization, infertility, prenatal, and postpartum massage. She herself used hypno birthing for her own four births.

Nicole: And she's passionate about helping other women do the same thing. And we really just covered the basics of what hypno birthing is, how it works. Some of the misconceptions about the practice we talk about what makes hypno birthing, um, successful, why you really need to practice the techniques before birth and how your partner can help you with this too really informative episode. Again, that is episode 95, drnicolerankins.com/episode95. Okay. And the final episode in the guest episodes is episode 94. And this is how prenatal yoga can improve your entire birth experience with Deb Flashenberg. And this is the second episode that I've had on prenatal yoga. The first one was in episode 30, where I talked about the benefits of pre and postnatal yoga. So if you wanna listen to that episode as well, that one's a great one too. But in this, I was joined by Deb Flashenberg.

Nicole: She's the founder and director of the prenatal yoga center in New York city. And she talked about her work and her practice. She's also a labor support doula, a Lamaze childbirth educator, and a mother of two. She talks about the philosophies that underpin her center for yoga and the support she provides. She discusses how yoga can create balance in the body during pregnancy and birth and how it can make labor and delivery smoother. Also they, uh, yoga can be important to helping manage pain and discomfort. We also talk a lot about bodily autonomy and how practicing prenatal yoga can help you get more comfortable advocating for yourself during your pregnancy and birth. So this is episode again, let's see, wait 94 episode 94, drnicolerankins.com/episode94 on prenatal yoga. All right. So switching gears, let's talk about the top five birth story episodes. Okay. First up we have episode 99 Cara's birth story working through a very long labor.

Nicole: And this one is a special episode for me because there is an appearance from yours truly. Yes. When she submitted her story to be on the show, I actually had no idea that she was in the Richmond, Virginia area like me and that I had been a part of her journey. So it was incredibly fun to catch up with her and hear about her pregnancy and birth from beginning to end and not just the part where I was in it as well. So we talk about Cara's pregnancy for her. It wasn't too eventful, but she did learn some things about discomfort during prenatal cervical exams. We then go on to talk about her labor why she wanted to labor at home, as long as possible and avoid medical interventions, and then how she ended up laboring for more than 40 hours and why she eventually decided to get an epidural.

Nicole: And she also shares what it was like when she met me during her birth and how she was finally able to relax enough, get some sleep and push her son into the world. And finally, we wrap up with talking about the postpartum period and how counseling helped her work through some off and on postpartum depression. So that is episode 99, drnicolerankins.com/episode99. Okay. Next up is Amber's birth story, having a beautiful birth. This is up having a beautiful natural birth. I should say, this is episodes 77 and by natural we mean unmedicated. Now, Amber was also on the podcast in episode 55, where she talked about preparing for childbirth and how she was hoping it would all go. And then she came back and actually shared her experience of her birth. She is an occupational therapist who lives in Texas with her husband. And in this episode, we talk about why she decided to switch her provider again at 32 weeks and how she actually ended up going with a birth center instead of a hospital.

Nicole: I don't typically have folks on the podcast to talk about birth center birth, because that's just not what I know or that's, you know what I do. I focus on hospital birth, not that there's anything wrong with birth center birth. It's a perfectly appropriate option for those who are good candidates, but I know, you know, I teach what I know which is hospital birth, but in this case, Amber ended up going with the birth center. So we talk about that. So we just walked through her birth center experience, how the midwives supported her through the process and what role her husband played, bringing their son into the world. And we also talk about the postpartum period and things she did to help with struggles with breastfeeding and postpartum depression. So that is episode 77 Amber's birth story. Okay. Next is episode 93 Brooke's birth story, an unmedicated hospital birth during COVID 19. COVID has definitely, definitely changed the way that folks give birth.

Nicole: So I've had a few stories where people talk about their experience giving birth during the pandemic. And it's like constantly changing. There's always something new or different, but it, in this, in this case, Brooke shares her story. She's a clinical social worker and doula who lives in Hawaii with her husband and their two sons. And she actually had such a great experience during her first pregnancy in birth that she decided to become a doula and a perinatal mental health counselor, so she can help other women have a wonderful experience as well. And we talked about how, how her pregnancy felt, why she asked her OB for a referral to a pelvic floor physical therapist, and why that was such a good decision for her care. We definitely underutilize pelvic floor physical therapist. She also talks about how she prepared herself mentally, physically, and spiritually for her birth, especially during the really strange and stressful time of being pregnant during a pandemic.

Nicole: And then finally we touch on how she discussed her birth wishes with her doctor, including her flexible mindset about pregnancy and how she responded to changes and what she needed from moment to moment during her birth. Really beautiful birth story. Actually, they're all beautiful, but this is episode number 93, drnicolerankins.com/episode93. Okay. Next we have episode 102 Kelsey's birth story expecting the unexpected. I really, really appreciated Kelsey coming on and sharing her story because it's a vulnerable topic. She experienced a wide range of different things during her pregnancies and births. She talked about the stress that she had at around her first pregnancy. It was a very wanted pregnancy that she ultimately terminated or ended because of a fatal genetic condition. And that was a really difficult choice and decision for her and was really brave of her to come on and talk about that.

Nicole: And then we go on and talk about how she got pregnant again and pretty quickly after that and what that experience was like for her. She actually had trouble bonding with that pregnancy and then add on top of that, she was pregnant during the COVID pandemic. She did ultimately have a lovely birth experience, but then experienced postpartum bleeding from a retained placenta, as well as trouble with breastfeeding, from a rare condition called Demer, which is dysmorphic milk ejection reflex. And then after all that, she even had to evacuate with her family because of wildfires in her area when her daughter was only two months old. So as you can see, she went through a lot, but you will also learn how she managed everything with so much strength. I was really, really inspired by her story. And I know that you will be too. This is episode 102.

Nicole: Kelsey's birth story, drnicolerankins.com/episode102. Okay. And then the final birth story episode is episode 105 and it's Emily's birth story. Every birth is different. This one is where she talks about her completely unmedicated birth in a military hospital. She's actually a registered nurse and a military spouse living in Guam. She and her husband, Chris have two babies, Liam and baby Alene, whose birth story we heard in the episode. She's, um, taking a break right now from full term nursing and stays at home with her kiddos and soaks up the sunny Pacific. And she and her family enjoy hiking, traveling well before the pandemic, and just spending time at the beach. And in this episode, she shares how different her two births were, her experience with postpartum preeclampsia, which was actually pretty scary. And then also the excellent care she received in a military hospital, which can be a little bit different.

Nicole: So that is episode 105 Emily's birth story drnicolerankins.com/episode105. All right. So let's finish up with the top five solo episodes. These are episodes where it's just me at the mic. And the first one is episode 97, 15 things you need to know before giving birth. And this was actually an update to the very first episode of the podcast. The very first episode of the podcast was nine things you need to know before giving birth. So I updated it to 15 and I updated it because I have learned so much professionally and personally over the podcast. So I added a few things to it and all of those things, of course, still very, very relevant today. One of the things that I talk about, um, for sure, in that the nine things episode and the 15 things episode, and one thing that I know even more so today, and I'm even more insistent about today is that every birthing person and their support partners should invest in childbirth education.

Nicole: When you are giving birth in a US hospital, you are giving birth in a system that at its foundation is a patriarchal approach to birth that too often takes away power and control from women over what happens in their own bodies. And the system is also racist for some, and you cannot control all of the things that happen to you within that system, but you absolutely can control how prepared you are going into your birth. And that is where childbirth education is so, so crucial and where I have learned so much through this podcast and this work and the messages and things that people send me and the experiences that people share with me is that childbirth education is so critical. Now it does not guarantee a perfect outcome or a perfect experience. If there's such a thing, nothing can provide any guarantees about birth, but again, if you go in as prepared and ready to advocate for yourself and the things that are important to you both during your pregnancy and your birth, that is what childbirth education is going to do for you.

Nicole: You, of course, I have an amazing option called the Birth Preparation Course, and hundreds of folks have found it useful its drnicolerankins.com/enroll. It's, um, incredibly valuable for all of the things that you get inside of the course and the community that comes with the course. So do check that out, drnicolerankins.com/enroll to become a part of the Birth Preparation Course, but I believe so strongly in childbirth education. Even if you don't join the Birth Preparation Course, please join something, do something, it is too important for, to miss and keep in mind that it's not something that's overwhelming. It doesn't have to be like, you know, something that you spend hours and hours and hours and hours and hours on. Like my course, for example, all of it, including the bonus material is roughly about 10 hours. So it's not like anything that's gonna take a ton of your time, but it's gonna provide so many benefits on the back end for your birth experience.

Nicole: Even if you already feel good about where you are with your knowledge and information, it's just really important to have that reinforcement. So I'm gonna get off my soapbox now about child birth education. But again, you can check out the, the Birth Preparation Course, drnicolerankins.com/enroll. And you can check out that episode things you need to know before giving birth that's episode 97, drnicolerankins.com/episode97. All right, next, we have episode 70 labor induction. What to know and what questions to ask. I am not surprised at all about this one, because I've had tons of people ask me about labor induction. So in this episode, you'll learn about the common medical and non-medical reasons for inducing labor, the process of being induced, what you can expect from the different methods, the medications that can be used, some questions that you can ask, and actually you should ask, and your doctor should be able to answer if they are suggesting a labor induction.

Nicole: And I talk about the research on induction, um, and the whole 39 week induction. So definitely check out this episode, drnicolerankins.com/episode70. If you want to learn more about labor induction. And I also go and even deeper dive inside the Birth Preparation Course on labor induction as well. Okay. Now the next one surprised me. This is episode number two. Yes. Way back when episode number two, and this is giving birth without medication in the hospital. And honestly, I was surprised because this episode again is like, you can't even necessarily access it unless you go back and look for it, cuz it's been, you know, almost three. Well, it's been three years. I, I released this episode one episode two at the same time in January. So I was really surprised that this one is, is, is still, um, so popular, but I can understand why cuz lots of folks want to give birth without medication.

Nicole: So in this episode, I talk about why I don't use the term natural birth because really all birth is natural. So I talk about unmedicated birth and then some things to consider if you want an unmedicated birth, like why you wanna do it? Are you prepared because you really need to be prepared for having an unmedicated birth. There's some folks who can walk in, I should say a minority of folks, a small amount of folks who can walk in and have an unmedicated birth without any preparation, but most folks will need some preparation. So you are going to learn in this episode, nine things you need to know if you want in an unmedicated hospital birth. So that's episode two, drnicolerankins.com/episode2.

Nicole: Okay. Last two episodes, episode 90 perineal tears, risk factors, prevention and healing. So in this episode you learn about the risk factors for perineal tears and perineal tears are the tears that can happen after you have a baby. So actually you don't just learn about risk factors. You learn about the risk factors that can increase your chances. You learn about strategies to prevent perineal tears like warm compresses, like perineal massage, and then how having a tear can affect your future pregnancies. So you'll learn about the different types of lacerations, how common they are, what healing can look like, especially for those more severe third and fourth degree tears. Since those are more complicated. And I talk about some of the things like incontinence that can potentially happen after more severe perineal tears. So this is a great episode. Um, again, that's episode 90 perineal tears, risk factors, prevention and healing, drnicolerankins.com/episode90. And then the final solo episode, and this is one that surprised me because actually it is not one that I felt very good about when I recorded it at the time. So this is Dr. Uh, this is a episode 42, rather. Episode 42, proper nutrition during pregnancy. And this was part of a three part series that I did related to weight during pregnancy. And this one, I talked about nutrition during pregnancy, and I didn't feel that great about it because to be honest, like we don't get a lot of training about nutrition during pregnancy. So I'm, we don't get any really, to be honest with you. So I had to do a lot of like reading and research and it took me a lot of research to put this episode together and I didn't feel particularly strong about it, but apparently it resonates with folks.

Nicole: So in the episode you learn practical information and advice on how you best optimize your health during pregnancy with proper nutrition. I talk about macronutrients, micronutrients, um, information about food safety so you can avoid food born illnesses. And then I debunk some myths that you hear in relation to nutrition during pregnancy. So obviously lots of of folks found it helpful, even if I didn't feel great about it. That is episode 42 proper nutrition in pregnancy drnicolerankins.com/episode42. Okay. So just to recap, the top five episodes in each category of the types of podcast episodes that I do top five guest episodes are episode 69, all about pregnancy and breast milk with Laura Wilson, episode 73, why we need better preparation for the postpartum period with Dr. Christine Sterling, episode 89, making sure your dog and your new baby get along well with Michelle Stern of Pooch Parenting, episode 95, hypno birthing what it is, how it works and who should try it.

Nicole: Episode 94, how prenatal yoga can improve your entire birth experience with Deb Flashenberg. For birth stories, top five episodes are episode 99, Kara's birth story working through a very long labor, episode, 77 Amber's birth story, having a beautiful natural birth episode, 93 Brooke's birth story an unmedicated hospital birth during COVID 19, episode 102 Kelsey's birth story expecting the unexpected, and 105 Emily's birth story. Every birth is different. And then finally, the solo episodes, episode 97, 15 things you need to know before giving birth, episode 70 labor induction: What to know what to what and what questions to ask, episode two, giving birth without medication in the hospital, episode 90 perineal tears, risk factors, prevention, and healing, and then episode 42 proper nutrition during pregnancy. Now, in order to grab the entire list, if you want to binge listen to all 15 episodes, you can grab that list and Spotify, its called the Best Of The All About Pregnancy & Birth Podcast.

Nicole: That's the name of the playlist. I will link to that in the show notes. All right. So there you have it, be sure to subscribe to the podcast in Apple Podcast or wherever you listen to podcast, because even though these are the top five episodes in each category, all the episodes are great. You don't wanna miss any, so subscribe to the podcast wherever you're listening to me right now. And if you feel so inclined, I really appreciate you leaving an honest review in Apple Podcast, in particular. I love to know what you hear about the show, and don't forget to check out my new class, Make A Birth Plan The Right Way that is drnicolerankins.com/register. The class is just seven dollars and you have lifetime access to it. So do check that out, check that out, drnicolerankins.com/register. And also don't forget to DM me about what your, your goals are for 2022. I'm curious to hear you can DM DM me on Instagram, where I'm there @drnicolerankins. All right. So that is it for this episode, do come on back next week. And remember you deserve a beautiful pregnancy and birth.

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